Samuel
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WLC, a fork of freicoin, is missing as well:
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As I have learned a lot during hacking down the first mangos prototype and thanks to active testing and great feedback from arcurus, my goal with CO|OPEN - Mangos got a lot clearer.
See here a first draft of definitions I am suggesting to bring together basic income projects:
https://hackpad.com/Definitions-KthZlp6AJWZPlease don't hesitated with feedback
The main difference:
I am not anymore heading towards creating a new currency, but just basic income pools, sharing a specific set of rules, that define the way a basic income is redistributed or financed.
So the main goal of the CO | OPEN platform is to define the parameters, of how individuals are being identified and verified as unique persons and enable cooperation on open source projects. CO | OPEN will set for the beginning their own set of rules, (currently i am tending to 10% redistribution per year to each individual) in order to channel competence during the prototyping stage. Once a stable version is reached, we open up for pools with different set of rules.
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There is another basic income working group, who is about to implement something with groups:
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Here is the uCoin equivalent to the topic of WebOfTrust algorithms combing it with Universal Dividend, I suggest you to get engaged in the discussion there:
http://forum.ucoin.io/t/web-of-trust-algorithms/13 -
True words have been spoken
I think any kind of distributed web of trust system will need more time to develop, maybe once things are rolling and a bigger base was established the weboftrust algorithms could take over the centralized version. -
Because there is always a reason for a transaction. If two people come together to make a deal you will have room/place/project to make that transaction.
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Transfer is only via project page
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or you start a donation project with helping you get enough mangos to pay for your massage
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your new login name: Martin Auer (with space in-between)
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Thank you
Timebanks is not really local anymore or? -
Ok You will get special allowance. Can I use your real name and picture?
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If this stuff with the voucher is functioning?
...better ask an good lawyer, or use an not so easy attack able thing like the bitcoin technology.
I will have a meeting with a befriended lawyer tomorrow.
But Chiemgauer is doing this already since 12 years successfully. Well you would of course combine it with the blockchain. The institution is just there for the verification process. And there will never be physical papers handed out, we are in a digital age. In the end it is a totally valid alt currency, just on the legal paper its vouchers.
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Only for a short period of time, there will be this awesome Offer to get an excellent Massage in my Mango Massage Salon.
Just for 15 Mangos, you will receive 1 hour of pleasure!! Pay now in advance and receive then your massage
http://mangos.liv.io/projects/qT5zKQxWSABSs6qfS -
I am not with you on that approach, since an universal income should be absolutely unconditional and the same in my point of view. Here again, not so social people will have a major disadvantage.
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- Change: So that one ¨accepted¨ verification counts for both mango eaters (participants
)because if you need to verify somebody, so or so you need to see his real face, to verify the picture
maybe better call it verified friend and make it similar to friend request in social networks
That makes sense.
- Add option to donate to the Universal Dividend Project / Donations are redistributed to all participants
alternatively allow also to donate to other verified projectsIts already there:
http://mangos.liv.io/projects/ue8We5MP6s3LAipPR
- Add listing of all donations
Done
http://mangos.liv.io/transactions- Change: Restrict verification to one verification per donated 24 Mangos (DailyIncome)
Hmm, not sure yet.
- Verifications must be renewed every 5 years
Done
- Change distribution of mangos and donated mangos according to levels
Me no like, since not so social and shy people would have an unnecessary disadvantage
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Sorry for spamming your post, for the centralized proposal, continue here:
https://freicoinalliance.com/topic/184-mangos-proposal-for-centralized-verification-institution/
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This is a centralized approach, I was thinking about today on this topic:
**Introduction to the vocher model**As fas as speaking today, there is still a lot to be discussed around the legal state of alternative- and cryptocurrencies, since non-government identities are so far not entitled to create their own currencies. One inspiring workaround was found by our local currency in Bavaria, the [Chiemgauer][1], which lead us to build on that solution and advance their model to a global scale operation.The solution the chiemgauer organization was choosing is to build their currency on the definition of vouchers. A voucher can be issued by any legal identity as long as it is tightly coupled to a real currency, such as the Euro. In case of the Chiemgauer, 1 Euro is the same as 1 Chiemgauer.**Adaption of model to a basic income currency**We were wrapping our head around how to take advantage of that solution and jumpstart an alternative currency with integrated basic income. Our proposal, the Mango Bank:The MangoBank will be founded as a non-profit organization, whose main mission will be to verify individuals and other organizations and connect the vouchers to the euro. In order to be able for the MangoBank to always pay out Euros for their vouchers, each new verified member will have to deposit 5€ in the MangoBank. Our conversation rate will be put at 5€ = 50.000 Vouchers. Since for each person there is going to be only 43.800 vouchers generated, the 5€ will equal to 4.38€. The remaining 0.62 Cents are the bounty for our hardworking verificators, that are traveling the world to reach every last individual to enable everyone to receive our basic income vouchers.Since we have open markets, the vouchers can gain higher value over the course of time when traded in the markets. Thus, making the MangoBank Organisation obsolete, once other institutions are exchanging the vouchers for better exchange rates than the MangoBank...To be continued soon
And here the levels of verification:
What levels of verification do you suggest? And how are they defined?
4 Levels:
- 1 | Anonymous: Login & Signup with normal user. Just look around, you are not verified yet.
(verified: false) - 2 | Verified: You have been verified by a member with level 3, you now receive Mangos
(verified: true) - 3 | Verificator: If you have been appointed by a member with level 4, you are able to identify other members
(verified: true) - 4 | RootVerificator: As root verificator, you are able to appoint Verificators and other Root Verificators
(verified: true)
At which level will you get mangos distributed?
Level 2: The moment you are completely verifiedWho is able to verify who?
Level 1,2: notAllowed
Level 3: 1 and 2
Level 4: 1,2 and 3No verification lasts forever, when will be a renewal due or how can you fall out of your current verification level again?
No ideas yet, what would you suggest?If there are black sheep abusing their verification level, who and how are they going to be suspended from their level?
No ideas yet, what would you suggest?
http://talk.liv.io/t...tion-methods/14 - 1 | Anonymous: Login & Signup with normal user. Just look around, you are not verified yet.
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This is a centralized approach, I was thinking about today on this topic:
**Introduction to the vocher model**As fas as speaking today, there is still a lot to be discussed around the legal state of alternative- and cryptocurrencies, since non-government identities are so far not entitled to create their own currencies. One inspiring workaround was found by our local currency in Bavaria, the [Chiemgauer][1], which lead us to build on that solution and advance their model to a global scale operation.The solution the chiemgauer organization was choosing is to build their currency on the definition of vouchers. A voucher can be issued by any legal identity as long as it is tightly coupled to a real currency, such as the Euro. In case of the Chiemgauer, 1 Euro is the same as 1 Chiemgauer.**Adaption of model to a basic income currency**We were wrapping our head around how to take advantage of that solution and jumpstart an alternative currency with integrated basic income. Our proposal, the Mango Bank:The MangoBank will be founded as a non-profit organization, whose main mission will be to verify individuals and other organizations and connect the vouchers to the euro. In order to be able for the MangoBank to always pay out Euros for their vouchers, each new verified member will have to deposit 5€ in the MangoBank. Our conversation rate will be put at 5€ = 50.000 Vouchers. Since for each person there is going to be only 43.800 vouchers generated, the 5€ will equal to 4.38€. The remaining 0.62 Cents are the bounty for our hardworking verificators, that are traveling the world to reach every last individual to enable everyone to receive our basic income vouchers.Since we have open markets, the vouchers can gain higher value over the course of time when traded in the markets. Thus, making the MangoBank Organisation obsolete, once other institutions are exchanging the vouchers for better exchange rates than the MangoBank...To be continued soon
co°pen - creating a world wide basic income
in Freicoin Alliance Basic Income / World Citizens Project
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MANGOS is changing strategy and now actively seeking for professional team members, that have the skills and competence to create a world wide basic income with cryptocurrencies.
Help us with spreading the word: http://coopen.io & http://thechanger.org/jobs/coopen-global-basic-income-co-founder-and-project-maintainer
All the best
Samuel