Bicknellski

Add some fish ponds to the greenhouse and this becomes even more viable.
Tilapia best fish for captive breeding and farming.

The geographic range for tilapia culture is limited by their temperature-sensitivity. For optimal growth, the ideal water temperature range is 82 to 86 °F (27.7 °C to 30 °C), and growth is reduced greatly below 68 °F (20 °C). Death occurs below 50 °F (10 °C). The miners heat should be recovered as much as possible to keep ponds fairly warm. The water can re-radiate the heat keep the reset of the greenhouse warm enough for plant growth.

After out chat yesterday, I just thought about how to do the mining project:
I would suggest to register the organic mining project on the Freicoin Foundation Web to apply for donations.
the donations we then use to buy miners, and set up maybe a Dash node, or whatever gives a steady inflow of coins.
we mine then what ever gives the most Freicoins on the end.
the heat we use for the greenhouse to farm organic plants.
the plants can then be bought to a reduced price if they are bought through Freicoin
the mined Freicoins we use to invest in further mining / Farming or give to Freicoin projects.
 
 

reserved for faq

Here an example for signing up for the Alpha test:
https://freicoinalliance.com/topic/137-sign-up-for-basic-income-world-citizens-project-alpha-test/

Hi all,
The "Freicoin Alliance Basic Income / World Citizens Dividend Project" short "World Citizens Project" is an non profit Freicoin Community driven project and a part of the "The Frei-Nation project".
 
The main goal of the The World Citizens Project is to propagate a free and fair wold that encourages cooperation, decentralization, sharing of knowledge and propagating a non harming fair economy through giving out an Basic Income / World Citizens Dividend in Freicoins.
 
The World Citizens Project itself is focused on giving out an Universal Basic Income / World Citizens Dividend. 
 
In short:
All donations made to the World Citizens Project are shared equally among all verified and active participants.
 
Donations made to the World Citizens Project are matched with up to 100%**** before they are distributed among the participants.
That means, that The World Citizens Project is purely donation based and therefore purely dependent on your donations and active support. The World Citizen Project can only function if you take your part in supporting the World Citizens Project*. 
 
The goal is to encourage cooperation, sharing of knowledge and a non harming fair economy. Therefore only participants who actively want to propagate these values should sign up with The World Citizens Project. 
 
 
Current caretaker of this project is Martin(Arcurus).
If you want to join or help The World Citizens Project or just have some suggestions, please feel free to send an message!
 
 
Best regards,
Martin 
 
 
**Verified projects can be found here: Freicoin Foundation Web or Freicoin Alliance specific here: Freicoin Alliance.
 
*** Currently only Freicoins that have not been donated already to the World Citizens Project can get matching. 
 
*** The exact percentage is dependent on Freicoin Foundation coin issuing and therefore not in the hand of The World Citizens Project .
The only costs that are covered from the coin matching are Freicoin Network Transaction Fees and Freicoin Demurrage costs. Time and resource costs from The World Citizens Project are not covered and therefore are dependent purely on your donations to The World Citizens Project.  

Had to pass the LED group buy miself since lack of time and resources, but used the 600W HPS that I had laying around In the end turned out to be good, since the heat was needed anyways Been a cold start for the year here in the Viking land, hehe.

I've just finished the latest grow and would be open to have the next one co-op style again (was just me this time). @Bicknellski had some interesting ideas/experiments on his mind too, so maybe one another chance to tie into the FA projects.

Ohh hey Bick, check out this article from hackaday, just came across it a moment ago:
https://hackaday.io/project/9174-growing-education
Growing Education - "Creating a monitoring and control network to the urban farm and aquaponics system at Garinger High School"

*edit: ugh, big picture so dont wanna attach it.. so link: *edit2: or then not, as the hive borg has decided to have it.. so you'll have the pic (damns the automatic formatting *prkl*)

Ohh, this one is pretty nice, shiny and tiny IoT kinda device I know ye got yer choice already (ref. to IRC convo), but just wanted to post it up
https://hackaday.io/project/9210-restful-io
Restful IO - "A quick and easy way of analog digital io via restful web services & usb"

I'll link the ESP wifi thingy Bick mentioned as well:
http://www.esp8266.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=5953 IOT Manager: Android App for DIY Devices (ESP8266 and Other)
- RasPi (and arduino) connectable! http://www.instructables.com/id/Connect-an-ESP8266-to-your-RaspberryPi/
- Shop for ESP8266 https://www.sparkfun.com/products/13678 (6.95usd pricetag :D)

???
what is hard to grasp?
In short:
Participants of The Freimining Project can get up to one* extra Freicoin for each Freicoin they mined. The extra Freicoins can be spent for verified common good** / non profit projects on the participants choice. 

As we chatted on IRC, I'll write up some example cases to the FreiMining thread to explain it 'for the dummies' style.. so even mi mom could understand the use/benefits of the experiment ^^

Alright Arcurus As we managed to have several folks over at IRC today and it turned out to be a pretty cool way to communicate, so IRC meetup mainly it is ^^
That said though, I'd very gladly have a hangout on Blab or mumble at the same time. We (c/s)ould have the main discussion on the IRC, but also have quick/short followup comments or quizzes on mumble. If we were aiming to be as transparent as possible, we could then publish the IRC logs and mumble/blab recordings afterwards on the internets (on IPFS!!! And of course HASH 'EM ON THE BLOCKCHAIN!!! *hypehype*)? ^^

*edit: ohh yeah, I'll try to draft up some kinda agenda/topics we could wisely fit the 45min we have with maaku. I'll put it up (hopefully) later today and ask yer comments for it

Arcurus, when you know your schedule better and find out which one is better for you - Friday or Monday - for the meetup, can ye hit me up on IRC or post it in the hangout thread?

(yeah.. I'm pretty sleep deprived... hehe)

lol, always these time  problems with global movements
maybe we just should use forums or mail, or hope for spontaneous meeting in irc
so or so, i try to be there, but cant guarantee it

Note Laptop wallet connected to nodes and updated easily. Had to reinstall all and use Wallet.dat to recover.
Thanks FAB I will try that on the handphone step by step.
 
As for nodes. 

Maybe we need to work on this as a group to have multiple nodes?

I think most important items to get going on are:
Increase nodes and mining for foreseeable future for a more stable FRC until merged mining with Bitcoin. Mobile FRC Wallets Iphone and Android up in Google Play and Itunes so it is easy to acess. Temporary needs links on Freico.in and FA site, Get the coin out to people so they can use it for good. I think 2 or 3 fix distribution ideas / concepts from the FA should be put into place. Mining Farm for BTC buy FRC so we can at least stabilize the price of FRC to a degree. Work with other business people to help them use FRC as a gateway to BTC / Cryptocurrency.
 

I think most important items to get going on are:
Increase nodes and mining for foreseeable future for a more stable FRC until merged mining with Bitcoin. Mobile FRC Wallets Iphone and Android up in Google Play and Itunes so it is easy to acess. Temporary needs links on Freico.in and FA site, Get the coin out to people so they can use it for good. I think 2 or 3 fix distribution ideas / concepts from the FA should be put into place. Mining Farm for BTC buy FRC so we can at least stabilize the price of FRC to a degree. Work with other business people to help them use FRC as a gateway to BTC / Cryptocurrency.
 

Note Laptop wallet connected to nodes and updated easily. Had to reinstall all and use Wallet.dat to recover.
Thanks FAB I will try that on the handphone step by step.
 
As for nodes. 

Maybe we need to work on this as a group to have multiple nodes?

Awesome! I'll get the OpenCart shop installed again to have atleast one place to spend their coins I've got a lot of textiles, maybe theres some kids in your class that could be attracted to knitting and sewing related stuff, hehe.     .... *hmm* Actually, maybe we can have a Freicoin Giveaway related project, something like this:

- Put up a Thread for designing anything positive and/or Freicoin related art from textiles, paper/cardboard, flowers, recycled junk, anything!
- Give anyone that submits an picture of their work certain amount of FRC
  -- Static amount like 1 000 FRC (a bit of a budgeting problem)
  -- OR allocate like 100 000 FRC and divide equally amongts the participants
? Vote a "winner" for a little bonus and post the work on FA Articles section.
? Do some social media stuff, like tweet it out

I had this problem on my Jolla too, couldnt send but received OK. Had to remove the application and manually remove the files from the app cache.

The node problem is common too and we need to get some stable nodes on the network. I think fedde has one running on his FreiDC.. if not, hopefully he can get one up I'll put one up shortly too.
In the meantime, this one has worked for others (add via console with 'addnone'): node.freico.in . It'll take some minutes (theres a bug in the node discovery) to connect.

It might be good to try and pick a time best for Arcurus. So I hope I have this right. India has a weird half hour time shift just like Newfoundland in Canada I hope that is correct.

Here is the link:https://blab.im/darin-m-bicknell-freicoin-alliance-blab-e02s01

If the link doesn't work just look on the main BLAB page for LIVE blabs and click on the Freicoin Alliance Blab. I will email everyone on the Alliance and interested people.



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My FRC Mobile Wallet: 1C25JPG5xkru1QFmQBqrWWgQxonMbD38zh
Students FRC Mobile Wallet: 1Q6smMCXuJEgugBMMFqhXZR7PjtXbCnxbL
 
I am not able to send anything out of any of my wallets currently. I will back up or reinstall on my phone and try again.

My laptop is having issues  as there are no active connections and no block source available. I uninstalled and reinstalled the wallet and then changed networks still no connection.

Be nice if we can get updates on where the coin is going now.

Be nice if we can get updates on where the coin is going now.

I will have kids distribute their FRC and they have to write an explanation of what they intend to do with the coins.
The kids have been told this is a no strings attached grant so they can do whatever they want with the FRC as long as they provide a report online to the forum about their plans and usage of the FRC.


 

By this point I assume that everyone here has heard about the new venture capital funded startup that is making waves in the Bitcoin space with its public unveiling and the release of the sidechains whitepaper. You may have also noticed that beyond being co-authors of the paper, Jorge and myself are co-founders of this new company. I’ll avoid mentioning it by name because I want to speak to the Freicoin community here, not people finding this thread through Google. Why are Jorge and myself proponents of sidechains? Why have we joined up with an ostensibly bitcoin-focused company? What does this mean for Freicoin? I hope to answer these questions.

The promise of sidechains is simple: by pegging asset value across chains, users are given the freedom to apply functionality of one chain (e.g. privacy offered by monero, or p2p markets provided by freimarkets) to assets originating on another (e.g. bitcoin or freicoin). Want to send your coins anonymously? Send them to a chain that supports ring signatures or zerocash protocol. Want to participate on a peer-to-peer marketplace? Send your coins to a chain that supports native asset extensions, such as freicoin with the freimarkets extensions.

Sidechain is a new word for a rather old concept -- we had an early semi-trusted version of it in our first freimarkets proposal. Certainly the concept pre-dates bitcoin itself, as payment network gateways fulfill a similar role in the legacy financial system. However the trustless setup invented in whole by Greg Maxwell and independently in pieces by numerous others allows the gateway role to be fulfilled without trusting anything other than correct operation of a mechanical system. No longer is there a service in the middle able to steal funds or operate on fractional reserve, or the systemic risk which arises from such behavior being commonplace.

So, sidechains are exciting because they allow permissionless innovation. The two-way peg allows innovation in the space of block chain applications without fragmenting the marketplace with a new free-floating p2p currency for each project. The return peg is, in a way, the last major change that need ever happen to bitcoin or any cryptocurrency, the one change to rule them all.

Some people have over-hyped sidechains as “the death of altcoins.” I don’t like this language, but if sidechains harold the death of any coins, it is clone coins which have no differentiating characteristics from bitcoin. There is no longer any reason for native currencies to exist on namecoin, monero, zerocash, or other such “feature chains.” But worry not: freicoin is different species of currency which behaves different from bitcoin: the fixed inflationary or demurrage currency. Because such a currency is fundamentally compatible with bitcoin and able to exist side-by-side, freicoin holders need not fear that their niche will someday be displaced by bitcoin.

Rather than be threatened by sidechain technology, freicoin stands to benefit greatly. Freicoin need no longer be isolated in its own ecosystem, or limited by its poor adoption. By introducing desired features, in particular issued assets, privacy enhancing technology, and larger dynamic block sizes, the freicoin block chain could very likely see an influx of users bringing their bitcoins to our chain to do business. Open for business is the motto of the new freicoin block chain containing two-way pegged assets such as bitcoin.

Jorge and myself are particularly motivated to work on sidechain technology because it makes deployment of block chain technology innovation easier. Freicoin, freimarkets, and republicoin: these are all innovative applications of cryptocurrency technology which could not or would not ever be deployed to the main bitcoin block chain. But they can become accessible to the bitcoin ecosystem by means of the freicoin block chain, if and when freicoin is given sidechain features.

Not only does this bring new users, but freicoin users also stand to benefit from greater integration. By having more services track and support the freicoin block chain, it becomes easier for these services to support freicoin as a transactional currency. Instead of bringing freicoin to the market, we bring the markets home to freicoin.

In summary, by fixing longstanding issues in the bitcoin ecosystem, freicoin stands to gain new users and strengthen its position. And unlike other potential sidechains, freicoin has a perpetual mining subsidy through its native demurrage currency that gives our block chain mining incentives that are known to work, providing security buffer other sidechains would be lacking. Even if these new users primarily transact in bitcoin, this remains a tremendously good thing for holders of freicoin currency.

That’s the vision. But to get from here to there requires quite a bit of work, much more than is possible to be done by a few volunteers. By founding a company around sidechains and getting funded, we have been able to secure the resources necessary to make sure that not only sidechain technology gets implemented and deployed, but also all the cool extensions to bitcoin (e.g. freimarkets) that inspired us to propose sidechains in the first place.

Our employment contracts were specifically constructed such that the company has no claim to the intellectual property underlying freicoin, the freicoin code base, the freicoin branding, or anything else about the freicoin project, now or going into the future. Furthermore we have a specific moonlighting exception that allows us to continue contributing to freicoin moving forwards, including merging into freicoin of open-sourced code written for the company’s own products. And while I cannot be specific about what the company is working on right now, needless to say Jorge and I were brought in because of our work on freimarkets and other extensions of the bitcoin protocol we originally proposed to be implemented on the freicoin block chain. As such open source technology matures within the company, we will be regularly merging such features that are desired by the freicoin community into the freicoin reference client.

I'm drafting another post detailing what I foresee as a potential freicoin development roadmap, including both ideas for rebranding and hard fork features that might make it in 2015. In the mean time, I'd be happy to entertain any questions about sidechains and their impact to freicoin. Additionally, barring any technical glitches I'll be participating in the Freicoin Alliance meeting as well.

There are a couple of things you could mean by this, so I'll address
the ones I can think of. If you meant something else, let me know.

1. Within the sidechain paper we talk of the bitcoin mainchain and an
indefinite number of sidechains which share the bitcoin currency as an
imported asset. What this actually means is that on each of the
sidechains there exists an issued asset native to that chain, whose
issuance mechanism involves verifying that a corresponding number of
bitcoins were sent to a locking script of a particular form. Those
bitcoins are unlocked by provably undoing the issuance (locking or
destruction) on the sidechain side. We use bitcoin in the paper as an
example, freicoin could just as easily be the currency involved, so
long as demurrage is accounted for correctly.

This means that there are two assets on two different chains, the
bitcoins on the bitcoin chain, and the sidechain-bitcoins on the
sidechain, which are guaranteed to have approximately the same
value. This is because if there is any change in valuation due to
swings in supply and demand, someone somewhere will arbitrage away the
difference using the two-way peg. However since the proofs involved
are quite large the peg has a cost in terms of transaction fees, and
it takes a significant amount of time to execute a peg transfer. As a
result there will be a market for doing more efficient cross-chain
transfers by matching supply and demand parties, then executing
e.g. an atomic swap protocol.

That is to say, even though bitcoins and sidechain-bitcoins (or
freicoins and sidechain-freicoins) are nominally equal valued,
friction in the transmutation process will still ensure that there is
a spread between bids and asks in a market offering faster exchange
between the two. There will be room in this space for both exchange
operators and liquidity providers.

2. The prime justification for implementing sidechains is to achieve
permissionless innovation -- the ability to create new features on a
new block chain while reusing an existing digital scarcity, such as
bitcoin or freicoin. One of the features oft requested, and one which
Jorge and myself have spent considerable time investigating, is the
ability to self-issue redeemable assets, and to exchange these assets
in a p2p, decentralized marketplace. We have called this proposal
freimarkets, and intend to implement it on the freicoin block chain,
with the permission of the community of course.

Freimarkets represents the future of exchanges in general: a protocol
for exchanging bids and asks over a peer-to-peer network, with miners
matching orders in a truly decentralized marketplace. So the answer to
your question might be that the freicoin block chain, with freimarkets
extensions for issued assets and freicoin as a native fee currency, is
the future of digital asset exchanges, replacing current centralized
"trust me" models.

3. It occurs to me that by "current exchanges" you might be talking
about the asset pairings on existing exchange markets, e.g.
BTC/LTC or BTC/DOGE. I hesitate to give forward-looking
statements. Markets are ultimately psychological, and assets are given
value because people value them (and that is not a recursive
statement). However speaking on purely technical grounds, it is hard
to imagine what value is left for just about every altcoin out there
once its technical innovations (if any) can be accessed with bitcoin
via a sidechain.

Thankfully freicoin is excluded from this analysis, and not because
I'm biased Freicoin's demurrage keeps it from competing with
bitcoin from either the bitcoin or freicoin perspective. But likewise
it could be said that network effects prevent litecoin from having any
utility in a sidechain universe, neither would clones of freicoin.



I certainly support these efforts: I've contributed to the android
wallet bounty. I'm not sure how the existence of sidechains could be
expected to impact the viability these wallet efforts, other than
requiring some work down the line to add sidechain feature support.

Once there exist sidechains, there will need to be effort invested in
making alternative wallets support these sidechains. This may involve
code being written for Electrum, bitcoinj, Green Address, and other
wallet software. Hopefully this work can be easily ported to their
freicoin versions.



Depends on the application I suppose. Kinda hard to answer without
knowing what you had in mind :\



There is plenty of room for bridge services to operate on top of a
sidechains enabled freicoin with freimarket extensions. Such service
providers would use more trustless technology to achieve the bridge,
holding customer funds for the smallest period of time possible, or
not at all. Neither sidechain technology nor freimarkets removes the
need for such players in the ecosystem.



Deployment of sidechain technology will require changes to
freicoin. By staying observant to the changes that we are proposing,
and evaluating them yourself you both keep us honest and make sure
that the changes get sufficient review and are safe to deploy.

Deployment may involve adoption of merged mining. In this case we need
alternative mechanisms in place to maintain the community during the
transition period. There have been talks on IRC about a curecoin
approach of spending some of the foundation's 80% on subsidy for
folding@home work units, thereby enabling GPU "mining" issuance which
helps cure cancer rather than secure the network.

Those who have bitcoin coding skills can help us directly in writing
code. Please contact me or Jorge if you think you fall in this
category.

Hi Marc.
thank you for your answer!
 

In a way the sidechain technology is not what will make Freicoin "different" then other coins.
As Marc said, the main thing that makes Freicoin different is, to be the first demurrage based global currency and on the same time tries to explore other more social coin distribution methods then mining.
So my questions that I have for the future is more about how is it going on with this coin distribution experiment?
What are the future plans for this?
What we as community can do?
What the developers can do?
Where do we want Freicoin to evolve to?
What is the plan for Republicoin?
But maybe we should better create another Topic for that, because I think this topic was more mend for side-chains and their implications.
I think for Freicoin sidechains and freimarkets could be great to have, especially if Freicoin will be the First to support them, but as said that will not be the think what makes Freicoin different in the end. The main thing is how to distribute coins in an fair and more energy save way other then mining.
All the good,
Arcurus