Samuel

MANGOS is changing strategy and now actively seeking for professional team members, that have the skills and competence to create a world wide basic income with cryptocurrencies. 
Help us with spreading the word: http://coopen.io & http://thechanger.org/jobs/coopen-global-basic-income-co-founder-and-project-maintainer

All the best 
Samuel 

IPFS looks really interesting, thank you dickyDee! 

Unfortunately for me this is a huge task, since I have not really a clue about professional programming. The stuff I have produced so far came just from messing around with bits and pieces I have taught myself. But if you find someone, who can do, go take it, its all open source, I would love to see it!  
I'll try to learn as much as possible to be more magician (there is a lot of progress, have a look: http://mangos.liv.io) 
That sounds lovely. One day I will have to come over

WLC, a fork of freicoin, is missing as well:
http://winc-ev.org/

I have removed the discussion platform  
Will integrate communication into my prototype directly 

CO | OPEN and mangos is missing  (www.liv.io)
 

Gathering links related to basic income

 
Books:
http://www.versobooks.com/books/1989-inventing-the-future
- Inventing the Future: Postcapitalism and a World Without Work



Articles:
http://www.basicincomeaction.org/about_basic_income
- What is a basic income? Why do we need a basic income? What are the benefits? How do we pay for it? Where does the money come from? What is origin of this idea, the history of basic income? But won’t it undermine work incentives? Won’t people quit their jobs? and more!



Videos & podcasts:
- Bitcoin News with Vortex: https://blab.im/vortex-bitcoin-news-8 with @MrChrisEllis and @TheOneVortex (@Twitter handles)
 -- Basic Income 1h51min25sec ->



Active Basic Income projects:
!!! Currently active open Basic Income crowdfunding experiment! Round #2. !!!
The Indiegogo page for the crowdfunding (funded! :)) https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-my-basic-income-project--2#/
And the webpage to sign up for the raffle: http://joelaguero.com/my-basic-income/


- Freicoin (http://freico.in)
- MoBUinet (http://mobuinet.com)
- GroupCurrency (http://groupcurrency.org)
- FIMK (http://fimk.fi) (only for Finland)
- uCoin (http://ucoin.io)
- BitNation (https://bitnation.co)
- Circles (https://ourbasicincome.wordpress.com)
- CO | OPEN / MANGOS (http://liv.io)
  -- Threads at Freicoin Alliance Forums:
   --- MANGOS - Prototyping a plattform for a universal dividend currency 
   --- MANGOS - Proposal for centralized verification institution (https://freicoinalliance.com/topic/184-mangos-proposal-for-centralized-verification-institution/)
   --- MANGOS - Suggestion for Universal Dividend Distribution with Web of Trust with plus Levels (https://freicoinalliance.com/topic/182-mangos-suggestion-for-universal-dividend-distribution-with-web-of-trust-with-plus-levels/)
- Winc Association / WLC (http://verify.winc-ev.com)
 -- aka WorldLeadCurrency
 -- Github: https://github.com/WorldLeadCurrency/WLC/
 -- BitcoinTalk thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=791398.0
 
People/advocates/other Basic Income accounts on social media:
CryptoUBI reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoUBI)
BasicIncome reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/BasicIncome/)
BasicIncome (https://twitter.com/basicincome)
BasicIncomeEurope (https://twitter.com/basicincomeEU)
BasicIncomeUK (https://twitter.com/basicincome_uk) BasicIncomeGreece (https://twitter.com/basic_incomegr)
BasicIncomeIreland (https://twitter.com/basicincomeirl) BasicIncomeSverige (https://twitter.com/Basinkomst)
BasicIncomeEarth (https://twitter.com/BasicIncomeOrg)
Freicoin (https://twitter.com/freicoin)
GroupCurrency (https://twitter.com/GroupCurrency) Circles (https://twitter.com/aboutCircles)
Winc association (https://twitter.com/WINC_ev)
Greg Selpak (https://twitter.com) (OkTurtles / GroupCurrency) Scott Santers (https://twitter.com/2noame)
David Graeber (https://twitter.com/davidgraeber)
Susanne Tarkowski Tempelhof (https://www.linkedin.com/in/susannetarkowski) (BitNation)  
Events:
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Totally aware of the rationalization, thats why I think a currency with implemented redistribution mechanism aka universal dividend is such an important thing to be discovered and researched. So, help me playing around with "mangos" and ask for features to be developed, in order to test things out that we can implement it later on in a "real world" currency.  

I will have a meeting with a befriended lawyer tomorrow.    But Chiemgauer is doing this already since 12 years successfully. 
Well you would of course combine it with the blockchain. The institution is just there for the verification process. And there will never be physical papers handed out, we are in a digital age. In the end it is a totally valid alt currency, just on the legal paper its vouchers. 

This is a centralized approach, I was thinking about today on this topic:

**Introduction to the vocher model**
As fas as speaking today, there is still a lot to be discussed around the legal state of alternative- and cryptocurrencies, since non-government identities are so far not entitled to create their own currencies. One inspiring workaround was found by our local currency in Bavaria, the [Chiemgauer][1], which lead us to build on that solution and advance their model to a global scale operation.  The solution the chiemgauer organization was choosing is to build their currency on the definition of vouchers. A voucher can be issued by any legal identity as long as it is tightly coupled to a real currency, such as the Euro. In case of the Chiemgauer, 1 Euro is the same as 1 Chiemgauer.   **Adaption of model to a basic income currency** We were wrapping our head around how to take advantage of that solution and jumpstart an alternative currency with integrated basic income. Our proposal, the Mango Bank:   The MangoBank will be founded as a non-profit organization, whose main mission will be to verify individuals and other organizations and connect the vouchers to the euro. In order to be able for the MangoBank to always pay out Euros for their vouchers, each new verified member will have to deposit 5€ in the MangoBank. Our conversation rate will be put at 5€ = 50.000 Vouchers. Since for each person there is going to be only 43.800 vouchers generated, the 5€ will equal to 4.38€. The remaining 0.62 Cents are the bounty for our hardworking verificators, that are traveling the world to reach every last individual to enable everyone to receive our basic income vouchers.    Since we have open markets, the vouchers can gain higher value over the course of time when traded in the markets. Thus, making the MangoBank Organisation obsolete, once other institutions are exchanging the vouchers for better exchange rates than the MangoBank...   To be continued soon     [1]: http://chiemgauer.info/

http://talk.liv.io/t...d-vouchers/18/1
And here the levels of verification:
  What levels of verification do you suggest? And how are they defined?
4 Levels: 
1 | Anonymous: Login & Signup with normal user. Just look around, you are not verified yet.
(verified: false) 2 | Verified: You have been verified by a member with level 3, you now receive Mangos
(verified: true) 3 | Verificator: If you have been appointed by a member with level 4, you are able to identify other members
(verified: true) 4 | RootVerificator: As root verificator, you are able to appoint Verificators and other Root Verificators
(verified: true) At which level will you get mangos distributed?
Level 2: The moment you are completely verified 
 
Who is able to verify who?
Level 1,2: notAllowed
Level 3: 1 and 2 
Level 4: 1,2 and 3
 
No verification lasts forever, when will be a renewal due or how can you fall out of your current verification level again?
No ideas yet, what would you suggest?
 
If there are black sheep abusing their verification level, who and how are they going to be suspended from their level?
No ideas yet, what would you suggest?

http://talk.liv.io/t...tion-methods/14

That one I will do. 
Not yet, because verification system will still change, once changed ,I will do

That makes sense! 

All good, congratulations to your successfully funding

Please don't drop  Continue!! The only problem is, I can not help with anything blockchain related, I am simply to inexperienced up until this point. 
So my main focus will be on the mango variation with stable dividend, but I am open minded helping you out with a forked version and your own parameters. 
 
 

Thanks Arcurus Noticed it the other day, but havent had the time to translate and look into it properly. Have some famliy visiting for some days, but I'll hope to get to it in a few days 
 
Samuel, thats a good simple example and and logically explained, thanks 
I wonder if its a big task to hook/create a simple webfront like the Mangos, but use actual Freicoins? We've had a few similar ideas around the community, but like Arc has mentioned, theres been only a few coders.
For alpha and everything testing, rough and out-there builds are fine, so everything doesnt need to be on the blockchain at first.. but would be great if there would be somehow do the accounting so, that one can have Freicoins they "own" in their wallets if they want at some points. We already have some tools that could be useful in such tests, and since you seem to know some codemagicianing, hopefully you could resurrect some and get them to good use ^^
Fedde's minershare system could be tuned to be used in the early dividend handling... or something, I'm rambling again  

But yeah, I live in Finland, in a small town about 200km north from Helsinki. Mäntyharju being the municipality The townsfolks are mostly older folk, with very few youngsters around.. but they're pretty active and community spirited peoples some of them I've managed to get some of them to try out the "feel" of alternative currencies with Freicoin, with paper wallets and being like an accountant and doing things on gadgets for them Very few from these folks are tech oriented though.. my uncle dont have a PC and rarely even uses his dumbphone for example .. so its hard to find actual participants for tests from around here :I
At the "city" center of Mäntyharju though, theres lil more people and tech oriented youngsters who would be a bit more suited audience and have shown some interest already too. Hehe, coding an easy to use and open custom system has been the biggest ~obstacle here too, but maybe and hopefully we cant get something cooking this winter

You can fork it  

Well said! I take that explanation, thank you!  ... and will change the underlying algorithm structure 
Sometimes the simple way is the hardest to find   
 

The first thing I will do the next days, is to install mangos on my own servers and host it on my own domain, then I come back and work on feature requests and feedback  

Fabrizio, where are you living?
The simplest explanation for a relational currency would be: 
For each person there is a fixed amount of coins generated and yearly distributed between all accounts with a demurrage Fee like 5% or 10%
So f.e.
You, Arcurus and Me are starting each with 1000 Coins = total 3000 Coins
We do some heavy, lovely trading of goods and services, now it looks like this:
Me: 100
You: 500
Arcurus: 2400

Now every year, everyone will get 100 Coins as UD (Universal Dividend, 10% of the total Coins / 3 people) minus the DF (demurrageFee, 10% of each individuals account) 
Me: 100 + 100 (UD) - 10 (DF) = 190
You: 500 + 100 (UD) - 50 (DF) = 550
Arcurus: 2400 + 100 (UD) - 240 = 2260

There is one more factor, which I left out for an easier explanation: 
Everyone is not starting with 1000, but gets over the course of time at a logarithmic rate those 1000 Coins distributed, in order to have an even growth of the total money mass. 
 

GO TO Mangos and SignUp: (Be warned, super alpha stadium, everything can break every time)  mangos.liv.io   Mango generation: Every verified member gets one mango per hour Demurrage Fee: 20% To be fair in the long run and encourage spending of mangos during one year 20% of the mangos are decaying on every verified account Total Amount of Mangos to be generated per Person: In some years the money supply per participant would be quite stable with going towards 24 mangos * 365 * 5 ~43.800 mangos per participant at maximum
Speed: 1sec interval 1 seconds is one virtual min Verification Mechanism You can only get verified, if you sign up with Facebook, this is simulating for the prototyping stage a real world handshake. 

Please put any Bugs, Requests or Wishes here:
https://github.com/C...N/Mangos/issues

Fabrizio, where are you living?
The simplest explanation for a relational currency would be: 
For each person there is a fixed amount of coins generated and yearly distributed between all accounts with a demurrage Fee like 5% or 10%
So f.e.
You, Arcurus and Me are starting each with 1000 Coins = total 3000 Coins
We do some heavy, lovely trading of goods and services, now it looks like this:
Me: 100
You: 500
Arcurus: 2400

Now every year, everyone will get 100 Coins as UD (Universal Dividend, 10% of the total Coins / 3 people) minus the DF (demurrageFee, 10% of each individuals account) 
Me: 100 + 100 (UD) - 10 (DF) = 190
You: 500 + 100 (UD) - 50 (DF) = 550
Arcurus: 2400 + 100 (UD) - 240 = 2260

There is one more factor, which I left out for an easier explanation: 
Everyone is not starting with 1000, but gets over the course of time at a logarithmic rate those 1000 Coins distributed, in order to have an even growth of the total money mass. 
 

signed up...
great work!
 
lol, thats sounds like super duper speedy

GO TO Mangos and SignUp: (Be warned, super alpha stadium, everything can break every time)  mangos.liv.io   Mango generation: Every verified member gets one mango per hour Demurrage Fee: 20% To be fair in the long run and encourage spending of mangos during one year 20% of the mangos are decaying on every verified account Total Amount of Mangos to be generated per Person: In some years the money supply per participant would be quite stable with going towards 24 mangos * 365 * 5 ~43.800 mangos per participant at maximum
Speed: 1sec interval 1 seconds is one virtual min Verification Mechanism You can only get verified, if you sign up with Facebook, this is simulating for the prototyping stage a real world handshake. 

Please put any Bugs, Requests or Wishes here:
https://github.com/C...N/Mangos/issues

Totally aware of the rationalization, thats why I think a currency with implemented redistribution mechanism aka universal dividend is such an important thing to be discovered and researched. So, help me playing around with "mangos" and ask for features to be developed, in order to test things out that we can implement it later on in a "real world" currency.  

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Grey & Brady introduce themselves after 18 episodes, working in public on the Internet, humblebragging revisited, a list of words that we mostly can't say on the podcast, the sacred space of calendars and 8 ways robots will take your job. 
 

 
This is why your idea is an EXCELLENT ONE although someone has to pay for the mining / transaction upkeep of the Freicoin network. The 80% collected should also go to the idea. We are going to need it when 40 to 60% unemployment worldwide happens soon. Look at automation in China. Jobs are being lost at an alarming rate already there.