Adilado

Yes a website upgrade would be cool but will it be used and accepted

Damn... tought i had double vote ????

YAY!
 Yes on option #4,
 
 

Well, that's as official as things get here. We got a majority of 'Yays' agreeing that Option 4 represents the communities choice for ending the foundation. So its done, decided. LET'S DO THIS!

Hi there, @Adilado has already pointed out that a cool website is very useful to promote a coin, so i am looking for someone who can help me to find a good theme and set up the site the Site Solidar.it is under construction atm but i wanna make it look great again ;-). Maybe someone has some idea or links?

I agree on alternative 4 as the community choice.
I vote YAY for alternative 4.

Fedde mentioned a Freicoin lottery, what if all demurrage went to the lottery pool instead of to miners, this could be fun for speculators/investors/holders and could raise interest in the coin

Yes, the error was on my end.
Quickest withdrawal I have ever seen, five out of five stars

To begin changing the coin (after burning the foundation coins), we could implement a HF to decrease the mining reward all we need to do is change this code in main.cpp:
mpq GetPerpetualSubsidyAmount(int nHeight)
{
    return MPQ_MAX_MONEY * -Params().HostDemurrageRate();
}
//START change #1:----->
mpq GetPerpetualSubsidyAmountNew(int nHeight)
{
    return MPQ_MAX_MONEY/5 * -Params().HostDemurrageRate();
}
//END change #1     -----<
CBudget GetPerpetualSubsidyBudget(int nHeight)
{
    static CBudget emptyBudget = CBudget(0, std::vector<CBudgetEntry>());
    return emptyBudget;
}
CBudget GetTransactionFeeBudget(int nHeight)
{
    static CBudget emptyBudget = CBudget(0, std::vector<CBudgetEntry>());
    return emptyBudget;
}
mpq GetBlockValue(int nHeight, const mpq& nFees)
{
    //START change #2:----->
   if (nHeight > 200000) {
        return GetPerpetualSubsidyAmountNew(nHeight) + nFees;
   }
   //END change #2:     -----<

    return GetInitialDistributionAmount(nHeight) +
           GetPerpetualSubsidyAmount(nHeight) + nFees;
}

Hooray!

Hooray!

Hooray!

i dont think that neither @jtimon or marc will even look into proof of stake. 
If you want proof of stake (combined with proof of work) i guess you have to do it like segwitt2X. secure the economic majority, then implement proof of stake like for example done in dash as layer two. then make a softfork and add it. 
@jtimon by the way if you want to know how a distributed foundation can be implemented in a soft fork, just look how dash does it. yes the technology is out there since years and functioning very well!
 

doesn't sound that great to me. its basically Bitcoin with demurrage for eternity to miners what @jtimon suggested.
i strongly oppose not to look into proof of stake security
to the soft fork, that could be easy to implement, just add one address where some part of the block reward goes if less than 100K coins are on that and give control of the address to someone who does the job of distributing them. later we can decentralize it.
simply destroy the coins seems up to now the best solution for the foundation.
simply out of curiosity, where did the community fail in distributing the coins?
 
 

Hi again, since my commet is off topic for the other threads it fits most in here. Thanks to @fedde 's exchange, the fresh ideas from @Skaro , @Adilado and @jtimon i am now again looking at freicoin with confidence. I am really exited to see the "freiexchange 2.0" in action and think that we will find a way to adopt Freicoin to the new situation to make up a worldwide freiconomy without debt and dangerous bubbles, because that was what we are here for since 2013.
I am now fully in FRC again and given up the positions in all other coins feeling good with it. I hope our ( @Bicknellski  , @Arcurus ) call  for do or die was the wake up call we needed.
Thanks Rik.
BTW i am fully standing behind a HF if we need it to bring new needed features to Freicoin.

Definitely dont let the coin die, that would not be fair for anyone. We now have a nice exchange and some volume. Lets work from here. And burn the foundation coins to start with.
Then we have been discussing a new website and Fedde says he could help out with that.
That is a good start.

Sounds good, I have faith in the devs. I think we indeed should keep working and developing.

> So what is your vision for the coin moving forward Developers?

My priority regarding Freicoin is starting to do rebases much faster and continuously, getting all the new improvements, bugfixes and features.
As for new consensus changes features, apart from those included in more modern versions of bitcoin (cltv[bip65], csv[bip68/bip112], segwit[bip141]), it would be nice to get features from https://elementsproject.org/ which now also rebases periodically. Specially I would like to have confidential transactions https://elementsproject.org/elements/confidential-transactions/ and confidential assets: https://elementsproject.org/elements/asset-issuance/ This is similar to freimarkets' basic asset issuance but with much better privacy. But that requires a hardfork, so it strongly depends on support from the community. There's also some incentive problems with the utxo, but I think we can solve them.
In general, that's my basic plan for Freicoin development: rebase and get new features from elements and bitcoin.
I'm also working on a block explorer for bitcoin, elements and liquid that I would like to adapt to freicoin as well.
But of course other people can work on other things.

In any case, this is rather orthogonal to the foundation's funds. So please, let's try to stay on topic.
New developments, new webs and potential consensus changes are all fine to discuss, but I don't think they are directly related to the question at hand, which is admitting we have failed as a community (and as devs) with the foundation and non-mining distribution, put an end to it and move on to other things.
 

Looking through the comments, people have voted for more than one option. Considering that, it appears that option 1 has the most support at 6 votes, and option 2 at 4 votes. 

> So basically remove the demurrage feature that inspired freicoin in the first place and makes it unique. I strongly oppose this.
Yes, I believe that the current system will keep us from growing, it is not a coincidence that we are among the smallest coins out there.
And the reason I believe that the 100 mil coins is a bad idea is that i dont want to see Freicoin priced at 1 satoshi, comeon lets make this coin grow with some new thinking, there must be a way that we all can agree.

Of the proposed options i say 1 or 4.
The coins should be destroyed, and that it takes time to reach 100 mil is good.
To be honest i think 100 mil is too much either way and its not a good number.
28 or close to is much better and closer to Bitcoin.
But it has to work for the miners too.

> So basically remove the demurrage feature that inspired freicoin in the first place and makes it unique. I strongly oppose this.
Yes, I believe that the current system will keep us from growing, it is not a coincidence that we are among the smallest coins out there.
And the reason I believe that the 100 mil coins is a bad idea is that i dont want to see Freicoin priced at 1 satoshi, comeon lets make this coin grow with some new thinking, there must be a way that we all can agree.

Of the proposed options i say 1 or 4.
The coins should be destroyed, and that it takes time to reach 100 mil is good.
To be honest i think 100 mil is too much either way and its not a good number.
28 or close to is much better and closer to Bitcoin.
But it has to work for the miners too.

Of the proposed options i say 1 or 4.
The coins should be destroyed, and that it takes time to reach 100 mil is good.
To be honest i think 100 mil is too much either way and its not a good number.
28 or close to is much better and closer to Bitcoin.
But it has to work for the miners too.

Maybe kick the can down the road a bit, if its possible? Move the Foundation coins to a time locked contract, spendable after certain day and/or require softfork? If not moved within certain amount of days/blocks -> destroy/redistribute/whatever.

Theres some neat technologies being built and getting realeases in the not-so-far-distant future, so could be useful to have the foundation coins for some use cases which might come available later. From what I understand, sidechains / drivechains will bring a lot of new possibilities for distribution mechanisms and other logics