Rik8119
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The principle is taken from the chiemgauer e.V. that has also http://www.chiemgauer.info/
checked the legal implications very precise.
P.S. The vouchers issues through mining are also give aways, as merge mining doesn't cost any additional energy.
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Hi everyone, @magius asked me what the legal implication of vouchers are and i found an internetpage that describe the status of Solidar vouchers very well:
http://www.it-recht-kanzlei.de/agb-gutscheine-verkauf.html
in principle it says:
-When an organization issues vouchers there is a difference if they are sold or give aways.
-If they are give aways -like Solidar- the issuer can freely define the how long they are valid.
-In principle vouchers could be a subsidy for money, like the german wikipedia states in his first sentence: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gutschein
-For digital voucher several questions have to be answered:
Where can the voucher be redeemed?
- as the WINC e.V. is the issuer we will pay 1€ for 1million Solidar to the owner, if he would like to sell it (This is a quite symbolic value to cover the legal aspect).How long can the voucher be redeemed?
- The voucher looses 19-20% Each Year which is tracked by the solidar network.
Who can redeem the voucher?
-Everyone.Is the voucher transferable?
-Yes, it is NOT bound to any person.For which products can the voucher be redeemed?
-The voucher can be redeemed for EUR. In special cases also for services that the WINC e.V. offers.Can only one voucher per order or can several vouchers be redeemed?
-The maximal amount of vouchers are 20 000 000. It can be owned/cashed out by one person.What happens to the remaining credit if the value of the voucher exceeds the value of the purchased goods?
- Solidar voucher are using 8 decimal places, so the remaining vouchers can be kept by the owner for later use.As Marc also stated: In the EU these laws can apply to other countries also. I do not see a reason why they can not apply to other countries as well, but if you know some specialties of other countries, feel free to post here.
Rik
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Hi Domenico, that's great news! I also believe that the ideas behind Solidar have many connections to real life problems and organizations. The synergy effect could help humanity to enter an age of abundance. But of course there is much to do till then and there are many small steps to take. The most important thing is to change peoples thinking about money, interest and the way we earn money.
Do you know how they can interact with Faz and Solidar?
Rik
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Ciao, Intendete il bot o il forum qui?
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Maybe its best to also link to a description on the solidar.it page? I will reorganize the bot. There will be an option to set a language, so that i can saparate the code from the translation stuff. I will take the list and copy it into solidar bot translations.
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57 minutes ago, magius said:
Please write here the translation, so I can correct it easily
Asap..
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93 bot user..
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85..
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Thats a real problem with those coin sites, they only list those coins that are already successful what makes it a big problem for small coins!
I don't have any ideas how to solve it as it is just getting worse.
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20 hours ago, Domenico de Simone said:
Well, I must increase advertising with my follwers. I have almost 1.000 followers on my facebook page, and I think that the most of them should subscribe Solidar. But we just started, so it will need some more time. Thanks Rik!
Thank you @Domenico de Simone, by the way i also put some italian version of the bot online. just type infoIt to get the italian description. if there are any translation errors, please let me know i only used the deepl.com/translator for most of the stuff. ;-)
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5 hours ago, Victor said:
A post only with the portuguese lines you mean?
No, the "ok" is already taken by the english version, so i cannot take it for the Portuguese one too. I will take "sim" instead.. I will inform you when i got it online..
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On 21.10.2017 at 8:07 PM, Domenico de Simone said:
well, I started selling something in Solidar, for now two of my books "Faz" at price 0,40 Solidar + 2 euro for sending, and Interview about economy at price 0,35 Solidar + 2 euro for sending. The first cost's in euro 14,90 and the second € 11,90. That is the article on my site https://domenicods.wordpress.com/2017/10/21/acquistare-un-mio-libro-con-il-solidar/ and I added a push on my facebook page for buying.
Thats great news, the first online book sold in Solidar was a while ago from one of the mobiunet.com organizers. A project that wasnt able to get enough financing for an Internet trading platform with its own demurrage currency. Im still in contact with one of the organizers though. Some kind of marketplace would really be a great thing! I will look into the possibilities the comming week.
On 20.10.2017 at 9:43 PM, Domenico de Simone said:Dear Rick, I suppose that you can check how many people do subscribe the Solidar on facebook. I would like to test the efficacy of the advertisement I'm doing and eventually make some change if it doesn't work correctly. The question is that subscribing Solidar is very easy, but the same some people find many difficulties and don't understand how it does work. There are so many computer stoned all around!
yes i can check how many are there and i always post the newest numbers in
I hope that this is enough, or do you need a shorter timeframe?
Rik
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Newest counter: 84 users.. ;-)
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But of course, what is needed is some sort of marketplace that can be easily used with the bot to lower the barrier to sell/buy goods and services with solidar.
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@Victor, that helps a lot. One thing, can you edit the post in the way that the commands don't overlay with the english version?
Otherwise the bot will always choose the english version as an answer as the answers are given according to the commands entered! Thanks.
@magius, i added some Italian translation, can you look into it? just send the bot infoIT to get the commands. It is 90% translation algorithm so maybe there are some errors. Thank you.
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Hi @Domenico, sorry for the confusion. The first Solidar is payed as a welcome gift. Then there will be payed 10 Solidar for every active month (Check Balance or receive Solidar). Predictions about the price are very Dangerous. Although Solidar should be very stable as it is defined by the real market activities there are incredible money ressources in cryptocurrencies that could Flood the Market or be withdrawn within days. The 10 Solidar is again only a start to motivate the early adopters. If the bot users will increase above 30000 the income would shrink accordingly. Meaning with 30000 - 60000 participants the Solidar income is 5 coins per month and so on. This should help to keep the price more stable although it gives the early adopters an advantage. What is wanted because the early one do Most of the work and risky stuff.
I Hope I answered your question? There are explanatory Videos Planned but my free time is a little Bit Limited at the Moment.
Rik
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i don't know how much money is needed but if it still takes month to plan the WINC association offers an unconditional income via the facebook messenger m.me/Solidar.Winc. ;-)
Solidar as voucher.
in General Discussion
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§ 807 BGB : Legally, the voucher is equated with a document (ownership paper according to § 807 BGB) which grants the voucher owner a claim to a service in the amount quantified on the voucher or a claim to a service.
§ 195 BGB: Regular limitation period
The regular period of limitation is three years.
Giveaways can be valid shorter as they are a gift and not bound to the law when it comes to tine validity. There is no entry in the BGB for that. It is rather a rule that has been established in many court decisions.