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On 7/31/2017 at 3:56 PM, Adilado said:

Fedde mentioned a Freicoin lottery, what if all demurrage went to the lottery pool instead of to miners, this could be fun for speculators/investors/holders and could raise interest in the coin

We had 100's of ideas posted on this about 4 years ago I think. Sadly the devs didn't like any of the proposals.

Is this a suicide pack Rik. KRIA OR DIE!

Any follow up on this?

On 6/30/2017 at 11:12 PM, Rik8119 said:

WOW 890k at 50 sat somebody will be really sorry during the next pump.. If there will be one.

Or happy they dumped this dog of coin now before it completely implodes.

LOL! J/K KRIA TO THE MOON!

I think this might be a DOA idea unless you want to work with some other devs to fork FRC or create a new coin as Jorge is suggesting. 

If the core devs are not keen that might be a good reason to drop it perhaps?

A plan moving forward please. Seems we have agreed to some things. And again somethings like POS vs POW have already been discussed before Arc and I would defer to what Mark and Jorge have said on this issue we don't need POS. As for freimarkets colored coins etc... what are the developers willing to do? I think 1 and 4 seem agreeable to most. Let's see that done and maybe we can see a more concrete plan moving forward. If everything now is going to be run through the forum and discussed great. But what is the agenda? What do we need etc. The foundation question seems mostly solved. Someone write it up and lets vote and then move forward.

Note: Fab. Well I have said my piece and it needed to be voiced. As for attendance and the community? Really? A lot of those past options and plans were debated within a larger community and assumed that would be acted on. If we want to keep discussing things already discussed and posted then in reality it is a waste of time and it is a delaying tactic at best. I am not asking for anything other than following up on what the devs want to do with their established plans and they were discussed at length in the past I don't see how things have change demonstrably since 2014 or 2015. I am not asking for the devs to make this their job and put in 40 hours a week and cut everyone out of the process. I just want them to engage with us in a reasonable way so we can expect some sort of progress. Have a look at the old forum you will see what I mean on that. It would be worthwhile for those two to put their vision on paper and get us the community to sell that with our input. But you can't keep limping along with no one leading this thing. Someone needs to step up and moving things forward.

On 7/28/2017 at 4:47 PM, jtimon said:

> So what is your vision for the coin moving forward Developers?

My priority regarding Freicoin is starting to do rebases much faster and continuously, getting all the new improvements, bugfixes and features.
As for new consensus changes features, apart from those included in more modern versions of bitcoin (cltv[bip65], csv[bip68/bip112], segwit[bip141]), it would be nice to get features from https://elementsproject.org/ which now also rebases periodically. Specially I would like to have confidential transactions https://elementsproject.org/elements/confidential-transactions/ and confidential assets: https://elementsproject.org/elements/asset-issuance/ This is similar to freimarkets' basic asset issuance but with much better privacy. But that requires a hardfork, so it strongly depends on support from the community. There's also some incentive problems with the utxo, but I think we can solve them.
In general, that's my basic plan for Freicoin development: rebase and get new features from elements and bitcoin.

I'm also working on a block explorer for bitcoin, elements and liquid that I would like to adapt to freicoin as well.
But of course other people can work on other things.

In any case, this is rather orthogonal to the foundation's funds. So please, let's try to stay on topic.
New developments, new webs and potential consensus changes are all fine to discuss, but I don't think they are directly related to the question at hand, which is admitting we have failed as a community (and as devs) with the foundation and non-mining distribution, put an end to it and move on to other things.
 

It might be tangential to this discussion, however it is not tangential to this community in that if you promise to deliver changes on what we are voting on then fail to follow up on developing the coin further why should we invest time? You and Mark have not really been setting development goals and updating the coin over the past two years. I think it is also important to note that giving up on the idea of foundation (Mark and Jorge's idea) is just one more signal that you want to divest yourself of responsibility to this tiny community. That might not be the intention but it sure is what some people think. Let me be really frank here. It would be best that you come up with a plan with goals and then tell the community what this road map is and begin doing it.

I agree with what you are proposing and I agree with your assessment about what FRC should be and I think option 1 is the right move as is option 4 as well, so please make that happen asap or at least cap debate here and move on already it is bogged down at this point. POS vs. POW is not a relevant debate and way way way off topic really. As for anything else well I want to see a clear outline with at least something that can be measured. I think the community here has done what it can given that we have seen promises for updates and changes to the coin before and nothing substantive has happened. Passing some of the blame to the community is fair but to be honest without developers pushing changes and improving the coin what do you expect a community to do? We basically have no users because the coin is not promoted by those who developed it. If you don't have the time or want to let it die then tell us now or make a real effort to plan a revival of the coin.

Sorry but the real issue here is that we lack a community of sufficient size to really to do much of anything to progress the coin it would entirely rest on the developers shoulders to provide the stimulus to engage a much larger community.  Without any direction and lack of updates this coin has failed to attract a larger community. You two need to have a greater vision or plan ala Vitalik Buterin. He was willing to step up and put in time and draw more developers to his way of thinking because of his vision. Freicoin has a greater potential to be disruptive compared to Ethereum given core economics of Freicoin. Do you guys want to push that or just keep debating here in this obscure corner of the cryptocoin world with people who are not necessarily your peers? To me that is a waste of time given the debates on these issues were already conducted 3 or 4 years ago.

Rather than debating 3 or 4 people on things, what you really need is a real cabal of developers to move FRC forward not us laymen see Vitaly Buterin again as the gold standard for drawing people in with an idea out of nothing with zero base. Where have those people gone you had originally supporting development? They left for a number of reasons but I suspect there was little or no interest remaining as there was no active development. No challenges. No vision. No plan. Don't make the same mistake.

This is not a community large enough to be a relevant sounding board for you two  to develop the coin into something that is targeting a user base of millions of people. You need to bring in a larger team of people with ideas for growth that will draw a real user base. Until you need to involve more people in decision making from a wider community of coin users it be better to make a plan, invest time into carrying that plan out and when the millions of users do come on board you can work like Ethereum or Bitcoin Core etc. and talk to the community about options. I value that you are trying to fix mistakes and work with this community but your time is limited and should be focused on developing the coin not debating the very core concept of the coin or the foundation. It is great you want to engage with us but really. Set your vision and make it happen then we can debate the validity of your choices or offer up suggestions to make the coin easier to use.

On 7/10/2017 at 5:24 AM, jtimon said:

Here are some other options, please, 

 

1) Simply destroy them by sending them to an OP_RETURN output. This has the disadvantage that there will be inflation again and it will take very long until all the 100 M are issued.

 

2) Turn them back into mining rewards by creating txs only with fees that are locked in time, so that each block can take one. We can decide at which rate they're given to miners and for how long (until they're gone). With this we can get to the 100 M much faster and has the additional advantage that provides more incentive to mine (which is currently extremly low).

 

3) Distribute proportionally to the current freicoin holders. This has this has the disadvantage that chosing a given time may look unfair. Is it after the final matching, right after, wait for the donation receivers to spend their coins? This may also cause a price crash, but it's hard to tell.

 

4) Destroy the remaining funds like in option one, but also do a softfork to reduce the current miner subsidy so that instead of the monetary base growing to 100 M, it just remains to whatever it is now without the remaining foundation funds. This requires a consensus change, may cause a hasrate crash (because the incentive for miners will suddenly much lower) and we lose the round and beauty 100 M figure.

 

My favourite option is number 2, although it has more parameters to discuss.

 

If anybody thinks of another option, please, share it.

 

One more time, we apologize for how the foundation was handled, I wish we had never done it in the first place, but this is where we're at.
 

I vote for 1. Bury them and move on. That might be painful but in reality there  is ZERO movement on the coin currently. Demurrage is meant to make the coin move and it is the ONLY thing that makes this coin unique to other offerings in the cryptoverse. What we have had for nearly 2 years is a dead coin limping along with four or five people funding little projects here and there with little or no Developer support.  Any plans  that attempt to recirculate these coins of the foundation now are really not going to be a 'fair' distribution which is the exact warning that was given to the foundation when you implemented this idea in the first place.

What we need is for adoption of Freicoin. How? I don't see how removing features like demurrage does anything but bury this coin permanently. What is required are MORE features as promised by Jorge and Mark in the past that is what we need to see and would be the only thing that would save the Kria moving forward. 

So what is your vision for the coin moving forward Developers?

Really are you going to help keep the coin alive or are you going to ultimately abandon it?

Given the past history of 'progress' I am not seeing a sustained commitment to follow up on Freicoin.

Maybe it is time to let the coin die? And I say this because it is clear this coin is not your first priority obviously and hasn't been that for a number of years. That is fine because what would be worse is if we have a partial or small infusion of work and then things go back to what they have been for years stagnation. 

Plenty of RAM nodes are a bit slow connecting... still need 300k blocks. Crazy slow on my laptop with 8gigs. I have not set up the better computer yet just wanted to test getting it loaded on this laptop first. Might be easier to buy ETH at this rate.

I am still trying to update block chain... ugh... 700,000 more blocks to go.

I used to mine BTC with my HD7970 Radeon in 2013 so i will probably run that at home overnight or i might build a new rig for mining at school.

I was hoping we could merge mine with ETH on fed and fabs pool ... but alternatively for the short term https://ethermine.org/ probably do that or a p2pool for ethereum.if they exist.

fire rooster coin not free.

LOL Im still downloading the chain not sync yet.

1.7 million of 3.8 million completed.

Is anyone else here in the Freicoin community mining or using Ethereum?

If you are it be great if we can work together on testing and using Ethereum personally I want to play with and learn more about Ethereum but use it to help improve FRC. Maybe it would be good to somehow get add on to Ethereum wallet for FRC direct exchange.

https://www.cryptocompare.com/mining/guides/how-to-mine-ethereum/

On 5/30/2017 at 2:54 PM, Arcurus said:

if you want to have unique coins i would suggest to add basic income based currencies like  duniter: http://www.duniter.fr/

and http://www.grantcoin.org/

As far as i know duniter does not have a exchange yet and has very big potential so we could attract new people.

With bitcoin having 1 dollar plus fees I would also suggest to add at least one common used currency with less fees like dash, ethereum or steem.

 

Great suggestions. Etherum is definite one we need I will have a look at those two links thanks.

How do you get a grant coin wallet?

Now.

7 hours ago, Arcurus said:

what would be nice is the ability to trade dash, steem and ether.

also nice to have would be a full list of all done trades, or did i just not find them?

 

 

We need to discuss which coins would be unique additions to the market so that we can have niche that draws more people to trade. Rather than have too many or fashionable coins that hot now but potentially dead later what criteria would make for a good freiexchange coin market?

Could we discuss those ideas and then add coins that meet our needs?

There is no need for Clark to troll. He has promised to leave FRC alone again or at least this forum. I suggest he open up a separate forum where he and Joe can delude others. Polite to everyone but those two jokers and their schemes. Sorry not going to pretend to be nice for either of them given the havoc Joe had on this community when he ran off with funds of others.

Clark you keep enabling Joe and are his mouth piece here. So if you want to keep supporting his efforts to rip off more people then go right ahead. If you want to support the coin moving forward I suggest you disassociate with him.

I don't need to send anonymous letters or threats. It is simple. Joe is bad news. You support Joe. You should rethink that support. 

As for leaving and never coming back that is no one loss for this community. As for suggesting others do the same they should really take what you are saying with the understanding that you support Joe who has lied and stolen from people. That says everything to me about whether or not people should follow your advice. 

Without Joe or you this community has survived. When the price of FRC bounced up you appeared. Not a coincidence. Unlike you I value people that actually contribute to the bootstrapping of this coin. 

As for having a nice day you don't mean it. Your trolling tactics really are doing nothing more than prove you should have never come back in the first place. Good riddance and stay gone this time. Finally people reading this should note that Clark doesn't address any of the concerns I made in my post about Joe, but rather ignores them all. That is telling. Be warned people dealing with Joe or Clark is a risk not worth taking.

 

On 2/8/2017 at 10:28 AM, Skaro said:

But yes. I:

1. backed up wallet, and exported private key;

2. Download and unzip New wallet;

3. Deleted Freicoin folder in Appdata (actually I did it a few times, I think you only have to delete the blockchain files);

4. Ran QT;

5. Installed private key;

6. Let in sync.

 

in my various attempts, I did find that the daemon worked better in step 4.

 

if you don't delete the blockchain you will have no different result. The point of the new wallet is to access the new blockchain of after soft fork.

SOLVED

Hey Clark cuck you and your enabling of Joe while you are at it. 

Does that help?

I hope that makes it clear how I feel about you clowns, but please by all means keep being a passive aggressive ass-hat and delete your posts covering up your troll bag of tricks.

Either you want to support the development of the coin and improve it or you want to be a troll. You can't do both so choose. No one left in Freicoin is here to have flame wars and counter productive conversations. So I suggest you either drop the trolling and get on board or just go away. We do not need the drama and to be honest we all have the wallet on a 64 bit machines as we solved it. My bad for not pasting it here but it is as simple as just downloading the 32bit file http://freico.in/download/ and then opening the qt file directly and adding your wallet.dat with the back up you saved. Just refer to Skaro's post I quoted below.

What we still need is a 64bit solution from Jorge and Mark hopefully that is coming with the updated qt. because it is difficult to do the work around when the problem should be there is a properly working 64bit exe file to start with if we are ever to get more people using FRC.

7 hours ago, Skaro said:

Whatever faucet.

I suggest that the forum is the faucet or faucet like. So by being involved / subscribed in a forum or freicoin application we can distribute kria. If we are going to give away Kria it should be in a way that the alliance or FRC gets more users.

How about we go through his "apology" to the community line by line.

1. He is in debt and there are no miners left.

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There are no miners left, they all died off when the pool died off which was one reason for shutting the pool down. I had a net loss of 10k USD in the year of 2014 (yes, i have almost 10k in loans just from running the pool) and I was unable to afford it as I have almost a quarter of a million dollars in medical bills left that won't be forgiven so I'm now working the rest of my life so I can pay the NON-PROFIT hospital the money they are harassing me about.

No one should be enabling him to restart his FRC pool if he took out 10k in loans and 250k in medical debts and expect that his pool will operate any better than last time when it shut down and people were left without any recourse to recoup what they spent on investing in miners. I dare say that the pool that Fredrick runs never needed to go into debt to operate. So I find that what Joe did was really irresponsible and foolish at best or just pure bullshit. Unless he provides evidence of these "loans" I think we can dismiss it. As for the 250k debt he will pay off the rest of his life well I think given that no one should be investing in Joe's Pool as it is a substantial liability to it operating for very long. Also Clark you should let Joe speak for himself as he is the one responsible for this entire mess.
 

2. Black Arrow Miners and what is owed people who invested.

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There is no money that was not sent out. While the pool was down, the miners were mining on p2pool and your funds were paid out at that time.

By now everyone knows that I did NOT, and I repeat DID NOT have anything to do with the blackarrow issue. The only miners that are around at all failed right around closure.

I can not speak to what was or was not "sent out" but clearly there were many concerns with the Joe's Pool and the accounting of blocks and FRC out. There were clear signs that something was not adding up properly and the fact that Joe was not operating a pool that was open to being audited easily and 'closed' raised concerns of many in the Freicoin community. I will let Fredrick and Fab go more in depth given their analysis because before his pool had shut down they were warning me to pull out my funds and not associate with Joe. Given what I was shown I am glad I listened to their warnings and got reimbursed before Joe disappeared just after shutting down his pool.

As for not having anything to do with Black Arrow that seems like pure bullshit given you were going to be operating the machines in your pool. So, let us not say you had NOTHING to do with Black Arrow. You like others were invested in the purchasing of those machines.

3. Bad blood? Or questions of transparency?

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Yes, there was bad blood between the pools. Don't even consider that there wasn't. There was, and you know what, it needed to stop. It did and we are now ready to move forward as professionals and let go of some stupid thing.

Or was it people were actually finding things that were inconsistent in what you were doing with your pool and were investigating into it further and then you shut down the pool and disappeared before your accident? Sorry Joe there were major issues well before you shutting down the pool and it had nothing to do with bad blood it had to do with transparency and some fishy accounting in your pool. Again Fed and Fab can illuminate everyone now on those concerns. Suffice to say you disappearing and reappearing only when FRC has a viable exchange and has risen in value says volumes while the rest of the community has been here building the coin as best it can with limited resources that we have. Where have you been that past 12 to 18 month Joe? People would be insane to think you have the coins best interest at heart given how inconsistent you have been since resurfacing. Are you back to sell off freicoin and try to get more people to support your poorly run pool so you can pay off your 250k medical debt? Legitimate question that you will not answer.


4. Stolen Code?

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I created electrum for freicoin and you guys gave someone else the bounty for my code that said developer stole (the indents and everythinh are exactly the same as the code i shared with a certain individual). The droid application also was working fine until the difficulty became an issue which caused change addresses to require the 6 confirms for demurrage to take place. I even had demurrage all laid out, but i said screw it because my code was stolen. I will never again be doing any open source code like that.

You created nothing that worked. No one used your CODE and no developers stole your code. You are lying. I challenge you to make a clear case about who stole your code, or how we had any code from you that worked to satisfy the bounty requirements. Your own lack of ability in coding things has been shown on a number of occasions over a number of projects so no one in this community will be asking you to submit code for bounties don't worry. One can  ask Fredrick or Pedro or anyone else that has actually added to the usability of FRC whether or not we want you involved. Without you being around the coin now has functional android wallet, an exchange, and a block explorer and that is all without need for drama and lies.

5. You did a lot?

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I did a lot you guys never saw.

You said you did a lot. While others actually did a lot see above.

What is funny is you come back yet again after being gone for a year as soon as the price of FRC spikes. I wonder why? Here is a thought Joe and Clark why not admit your mistakes pay restitution or just go away because people should never trust either of you guys given what has happened over the past 2 or 3 years. 

Interesting that Clark deleted his comments... I wonder why? Maybe Clark should listen to those people who have lost money because of Joe and stop enabling this liar and thief?
 

On 4/29/2017 at 11:03 PM, Skaro said:

Any possibility of restarting your pool?

He has started a pool by invite only. Given the losses of others in the past dealing with him, it would be something to avoid. If he were to make good on what is owed people, pay them back their losses, then maybe people could trust him again.

I do not see any upside to encouraging him or supporting him.

Forum faucet? or Faucet faucet?